iMac Hunt 1:13 Tue Apr 7
In/Out Referendum.
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Suicide for Cameron or a UKIP vote grabbing ploy?
In or out comrades?
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Russ of the BML
3:23 Wed Apr 8
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dealcanvey 1:10 Wed Apr 8
I thought it was set for 2017.
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dealcanvey
1:10 Wed Apr 8
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Didn't he not give us his 'cast iron guarantee' for a referendum on the EU this term? The man is a liar and anyone that votes conservative on this basis is wasting their vote. it will not happen.
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Russ of the BML
12:01 Wed Apr 8
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Valley Hammer 11:43 Tue Apr 7
He may not want us to leave but as far as I can see he is quite prepared to move forward if we do.
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Russ of the BML
12:00 Wed Apr 8
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Reality Cheques 6:40 Tue Apr 7
Spot on. Negotiating a better and fairer deal before a referendum is perfectly reasonable and sensible. It gives the voters a more balanced view of what they are voting for.
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balders
8:07 Wed Apr 8
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Hopefully Cameron can negotiate on a free trade bases
We pay in some as expected but can take back laws on immigration , benefits , etc
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Valley Hammer
11:43 Tue Apr 7
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I think he might come to regret this pledge. He doesn't want us to leave but the vote will be close (assuming we get one, of course).
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orwells tragedy
10:15 Tue Apr 7
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And i suppose The Lisbon Treaty isn't an EU Constitution.
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Schoffie
10:06 Tue Apr 7
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Just give us a bludy chance to vote on this issue, get it over and done with and we can all move on!
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Reality Cheques
10:00 Tue Apr 7
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Nope, he's not said that at all & wouldn't get away with it.
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orwells tragedy
9:56 Tue Apr 7
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Reality Cheques 6:40 Tue Apr 7
If he gets his so called reforms, we won't get a vote, thats the point. He will say he has achieved what the British public want and therefore a vote would be obsolete.
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Scraper
7:26 Tue Apr 7
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The referendum oughta only permit voters with an IQ of 130+.
This excludes Cameron & Blair.
Hth.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:25 Tue Apr 7
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'Let's be clear if we leave the EU and want the same trading rights with it as Norway and Switzerland we have to comply with the EU rules as they do.'
Why? Our economy is more than twice the size of Norway and Switzerland combined.
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Scraper
7:05 Tue Apr 7
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The less bureaucracy, the better. The level of it in Brussels is sickening. Get rid of it.
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Reality Cheques
6:54 Tue Apr 7
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"The Greek government says Germany owes Greece nearly €279bn (£204bn; $303bn) in war reparations for the Nazi occupation during World War Two."
That should go down well then.
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Reality Cheques
6:40 Tue Apr 7
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"Reformed is his get out clause in my view, he always drops it in. "
I really don't see a problem with that as makes perfect sense to me.
Whatever way it's spun though, people will get a chance to vote to stay in & or get out. That's the bottom line.
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Reality Cheques
6:38 Tue Apr 7
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I agree with Stewie, I really don't see how it will gain Cameron many more votes. It may win back a few UKIP supporters, but it'll be a few if any.
I think that those Tory votes that have gone to UKIP have been exhausted now & in that regard if they gain any more support than they currently have than now then it'll more likely come from cheesed off Labour supporters than the Tories.
Equally, I don't see how he is conning anyone. Yes. he'll likely get a few bits he wants from the EU if he's still PM & try & sell it that way & recommend to stay in.
I've little doubt he will, but I'm not sure how that's a con exactly if you actually get a vote.
Staying in & or out will be based on the arguments & how people feel. If you get actually get a vote then it's no good moaning about the result whatever way it goes.
If it's one of the main things that someone is concerned with then you have been told as clear as day you're not getting a chance to vote with a Labour government made of them directly & or with the SNP/ Liberals support.
I really can't see UKIP getting more than 3 MP's at most in order to form any sort of meaningful coalition with the Tories, but time will soon tell on that.
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Dave Boozle
6:34 Tue Apr 7
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Kippers got 27% of the Euro elections poll last year so only 24% of the remaining 73% would be needed to vote out for us to leave the EU. So there's a good chance of an out.
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orwells tragedy
6:28 Tue Apr 7
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Asked if holding a referendum was a cast-iron pledge, he said: "Absolutely. We will hold that referendum by the end of 2017; it will be a referendum on an in-out basis – do we stay in a REFORMED European Union or do we leave?"
Reformed is his get out clause in my view, he always drops it in.
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6:27 Tue Apr 7
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You've neglected the bit about Dave's intention to negotiate better terms before a referendum.
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Russ of the BML
6:21 Tue Apr 7
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I think to be fair to Cameron he hasn't said 'We will have a referendum and this is what I want to happen'. He has just said 'We will have a referendum' so he hasn't really done or said anything to fool anyone.
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orwells tragedy
6:19 Tue Apr 7
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Blair did something similar regarding new treaties
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